What Boat Next?

[Tony]

Hi, Claus.

OK. You got me. I dont have too many answers to this problem and am a touch light on practical suggestions. (due to limited experience) I have to listen to those who know their stuff and so I have plenty of questions and "what ifs" flying around my head.
Proof of the pudding is in the tasting, as they say, so perhaps Matt should build what you suggest as cheaply as possible  then see what, if anything, has to be added/taken away to make it work?

Sitting head room.... do you think the CBLs cabin looks too high?

[Julian Swindell]

One quick comment. Matt said in his post that there could not be sitting headroom.. without facing aft...  What's wrong with facing aft? I have thought of doing a tweak on Dasiy G to use the forward berth as the main cabin seat. You can stretch your legs right out and there is headroom. Just no back support, which is what I'm tweaking with.

[Craic]

Guys,
what Matt is concerned about is that in the BR open boat the internal waterballast system raises the floor around 8 to 10 inches, so if one took the open BR as it is as substrate in order to get comfortable sitting headroom inside the cabin, the cabin roof would have to go up by that much too, making it -so Matt judges- unsightly.

So I have come up with an idea how he could do away with the internal waterballast without sacrificing self-righting, so then the cockpit floor can be lowered, so then the cabin would be high enough again for comfortable sitting inside without being visually obstructive from the outside.

I admit it's a longer than usual chain of thoughts, but I had thought I had made it clear what all this is aiming at: That yes, one could get a good and spacious and inexpensive basic cabin sailer out of the existing BR hull mould.
-I think.

[Jeff Curtis]

Hello everyone

I've been following this thread with interest as I have so far failed miserably to find a quick and easy way to fix an overnight tent to my own BayRaider. For me a permanent cabin would be an uneccessary obstruction most of the time. So for what it is worth here is my idea for a BayCamper. Not original I'm sure and with no details worked out yet.

The forward sprayhood works a treat. It is quick to put up, spacious and gives good shelter. I'd like a similar aft sprayhood (the other way round of course) that could be joined to the forward sprayhood with an infill piece. An instant tent and up in a jiffy. The mizzen mast is in the way but the simplest way round this is just to take it out before putting the tent up. Anyone care to work out the fine details? See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5nf-oplNL0 for inspiration.

[Johan Ellingsen]

Going back again to the construction photos on the website,it looks to me as if the "sideboard"cases on the CBL have a lot more top end lateral support than
the centreboard ditto on the BC.Can anybody please comment on the possible importance,or not,of this?

In Swedish archipelago waters,where I hope to take my new-SB-to-be to places my dear old long-keeler could never reach,impact resistance is a factor..

Also @ Tony,
I would be quite interested to know what the cabin inside of "Four Sisters" looks like,if it´s not too intrusive.(Photo?)

[Johan Ellingsen]

@ Jeff,

The Beneteau 21.7 has this type off arrangement,which I saw last summer.Very
clumsily contrived,but a great idea!

[Julian Swindell]

Hi Jeff,
I have been experimenting with a cockpit tent on Daisy G. Juat a piece of an old tarpaulin and a fibreglass tent pole. The pole bends into a semi circle and just sticks into two 10mm diam holes. The holes are currently in two little blocks of wood I have screwed to the coaming. I am planning to drill a couple into the cleat supports at some stage so I can get rid of the little blocks. The front end overlaps the sprayhood. I need to shape the front to fit better. At the moment the whole thing is jsut held together with gaffer tape. I am hopnig to talk my wife into stiching the it in matching canvas once I have got the pattern worked out. The pole breaks down into 2ft lengths so it can all be dismounted and stowed in the cockpit locker or just under the side deck. It takes less than a minute to put up or take down and it is completely out of the way when you don't want it.

[Tony]

Also @ Tony,
I would be quite interested to know what the cabin inside of "Four Sisters" looks like,if it´s not too intrusive.(Photo?)

Hi, Johan.
I don't seem to have a decent photo of the inside of the cabin so Ive sent these shots taken the day I first brought Four Sisters back from Wales, with my granddaughter included to give an idea of the scale. The boat doesn't look so clean anymore – and my granddaughter has altered even more! Both are still beautiful and, I think, have matured rather than aged.
I, on the other hand....well... Enough said....

[Brian Pearson]

This is probably the neatest set up I have ever seen, in this case on a Caledonia Yawl.

http://ford.physics.fsu.edu/DaleDavenportBoat.jpg

[Tony]

This is probably the neatest set up I have ever seen, in this case on a Caledonia Yawl.

http://ford.physics.fsu.edu/DaleDavenportBoat.jpg

Hi, Brian.
Ye, it looks very smart .. but also it looks as if it took an age to organise and set up.
If you are going to all that trouble why not pitch a tent on shore?  Jeff's twin spray hood idea, on the other hand, would only take a few minutes to set up.
I still prefer a cabin, though - however small - if it kept as a  no go area for wet oilskins, boots and, yes, even cooking stoves. Gas flames in a confined space produce a deal of water vapour which will condense on any cool surface, run down the  inside of the hull and soak your sleeping bag. I always cook on the side decks and only retreat under the spray hood if it is actually raining. I cook, eat and socialise in the cockpit...then I crawl-in -and-die. (...a phrase which I should have made copyright when I first used it.) I had enough of trying to sleep in damp, badly ventilated bivvy bags in my youth, where the condensation from just your own breath was enough to wet you through. I sleep much better in the cabin - suitably insulated by 10mm closed cell foam - than I ever did in even my all-time favorite tent. In an out-and-out Raid boat I think its important that the crew get a guaranteed respite from the elements - especially so for single handers.

[Craic]

Tony,
I agree 100%. A hard cabin is tougher and warmer. Important points where we sail here around Europe.
Besides, you cannot have improved AVS (Angle of vanishing stability) from a sprayhood based textile structure.